The Religion of Peace that likes to kill…………….

Aftermath of the shooting..........

Aftermath of the shooting……….

Apparently the San Bernardino killer had had arguments with a Jewish colleague over religion, not an uncommon situation throughout the world. He and his wife then decided to wreak havoc and slaughter 14 innocent people because he perceived that he had been insulted.

As a secularist myself I have had very strong (and heated) debates with those that follow various belief systems, this is the kind of thing that happens in a free thinking democracy but which is a complete anathema to the followers of islam. I may fundamentally disagree with someones belief system but that doesn’t prompt me to go home, arm myself to the teeth and then go out and murder fourteen innocent people simply because they do not think as I do.

It seems that ANY criticism / opposition to Islam tends to end up in death……Charlie Hebdo, London 7/7, Madrid station bombings, Bali bombings of bars, Bangladeshi secular blogger murdered, 59 pupils shot and burned by Boko Haram in Nigeria, 81 choristers and children killed by suicide bomber at Protestant Church in Pakistan………the list could go on and on.

Yet we are consistently peddled the line that islam (I refuse to dignify this religion by using a capital letter) is a religion of peace. As the saying goes “not all muslims are terrorists, but 99% of terrorists are muslims”

I note also that many of the “leftie” apologisers for ISIS go on about foreign policy and the numbers of innocent civilians killed in various middle eastern conflicts involving the west. What they usually leave out is that approximately 95% of muslims killed in these conflicts have been killed by other muslims which highlights the sectarian divide between Sunni and Shia factions of islam (think protestant and catholic for a comparison but much worse). This has been around for centuries and shows no sign of the conflict abating.

For a society to function effectively  in any sort of way, there has to be mutual respect between those who fundamentally disagree on issues of belief. It seems that we in the UK are very good at bending over backwards to respect the beliefs of others (and we have a proud history of this) yet there are those who come to the UK (and some even born here) who do not see any need to conform to the cultural norms and values of this is country and indeed expect us to change to meet their demands.

There is a simple answer, if they do not like our country, its culture and values then a quick trip to Heathrow to catch a flight to a country that is more in keeping with their religious and cultural practices should be the order of the day.

I was doing some research there other day and came across this article from the Daily Telegraph in 2005 in the wake of the 7/7 atrocities, of which I publish an extract:-

” The group portrait of British Muslims painted by YouGov’s survey for The Daily Telegraph is at once reassuring and disturbing, in some ways even alarming. The vast majority of British Muslims condemn the London bombings but a substantial minority are clearly alienated from modern British society and some are prepared to justify terrorist acts.

The divisions within the Muslim community go deep. Muslims are divided over the morality of the London bombings, over the extent of their loyalty to this country and over how Muslims should respond to recent events. Most Muslims are evidently moderate and law-abiding but by no means all are.

YouGov sought to gauge the character of the Muslim community’s response to the events of July 7. As the figures in the chart show, 88 per cent of British Muslims clearly have no intention of trying to justify the bus and Tube murders.

However, six per cent insist that the bombings were, on the contrary, fully justified. Six per cent may seem a small proportion but in absolute numbers it amounts to about 100,000 individuals who, if not prepared to carry out terrorist acts, are ready to support those who do

Moreover, the proportion of YouGov’s respondents who, while not condoning the London attacks, have some sympathy with the feelings and motives of those who carried them out is considerably larger – 24 per cent.

We are now in 2015 and it would seem that a significant number within the muslim community still have little or no affinity with the UK or its values, hence the people going to join ISIS from the UK.

Until islam drags itself into the 21st century and embraces a multicultural / faith world, respects people of all creed and belief, then the conflict with, and mistrust of islam will continue.

This was publicised in various newspapers and media outlets yesterday:-

Ex-Muslim Maryam Namazie spoke at London’s Goldsmiths College on the topic “Apostasy, blasphemy and free expression in the age of ISIS,” and her talk was repeatedly disrupted by Muslim students.  Namazie has worked tirelessly for human rights and against their abrogation by some Muslims, concentrating especially on Islamic oppression of women. It’s thus ironic that her talk at Goldsmith’s was opposed by the college Feminist Society, which aligned itself with ISOC, Goldsmith’s Islamic Society.

It seems that muslims and misguided feminists at the university  consider any criticism if islam as “hate speech”………this is what we are up against………………………..

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7 Responses to The Religion of Peace that likes to kill…………….

  1. SaHar says:

    after greetin’,
    Islam (capitalized) is a religion of peace and it’ll always be. You speak words of free-thinking democracy, but article itself contadicts this claim. Why? Then who gave you the right to judge such a great religion by the acts of an extremist group that the majority of muslims hate them as the they hell? Dose ISIS represents muslims? Did the muslims delegate them to take over their issues? absolutely No!

    Pardon me! but why the article is so one-sided that doesn’t mension the dozens of massacares againt muslims in Burma, Palestine, Iraq ….. the list could go on and on.

    Excuse me, but I have to edit the saying by my own .. “Muslims are not terrorists,and the terrorists who claim to be muslims do represnt their own evil”

    last but not least, I as the majority, grew up learining and believing in the verse 256 of surrat Al Baqara saying “there is no compulsion in religion” so please condemn the extremist groups and their bad deeds but NOT our great Islam!

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  2. SaHar says:

    after greetin’,
    Islam (capitalized) is a religion of peace and it’ll always be. You speak words of free-thinking democracy, but the article itself contadicts this claim. Why? Then who gave you the right to judge such a great religion by the acts of an extremist group that the majority of muslims hate them as the theyhate hell? Dose ISIS represent muslims? Did the muslims delegate them to take over their issues? absolutely No!

    Pardon me! but why the article is so one-sided that doesn’t mention the dozens of massacares againt muslims in Burma, Palestine, Iraq ….. the list could go on and on.

    Excuse me, but I have to edit the saying by my own .. “Muslims are not terrorists, and the terrorists who claim to be muslims do represnt their own evil”

    last but not least, I as the majority of muslims, grew up learining and believing in the verse 256 of surrat Al Baqara saying “there is no compulsion in religion” so please condemn the extremist groups and their bad deeds but NOT our great Islam!

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  3. kindadukish says:

    Thank you for your considered response but I have obviously touched a nerve with you about islam.
    You state that I contradict my statement about a “free thinking democracy”, could you point out exactly where I did this?
    Can you tell me how many muslim counties:-
    – allow freedom of worship
    – democratic voting
    – freedom of association
    – freedom of women to make decisions for themselves, and not be viewed as objects of sexual pleasure and baby making machines
    – a womans testimony is equal to that of a man
    – allows gay people to live freely without the fear of being murdered
    ……….those are just a few to be going on with.
    You pose a number of questions at the end of your first paragraph but you leave out the most important one “what did the “majority” (your term) of muslims do to stop these murderous wretches?
    And if you want to start quoting holy scripture how about:
    “And KILL them (the unbelievers) wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.” (Sura 2, verse 191).
    Hardly a recipe for mutual understanding and respect!
    The islamic religion is completely at odds with western culture and values particularly in its treatment of women and most importantly freedom of speech, you will note that I quoted Charlie Hebdo where islamic nutters decided they would murder a number of journalists for making fun of a prophet (as they had of other religions previously).
    You might want to read todays news about the muslim couple who went out and shot 14 innocent people in America for no other reason than these people were not muslims.
    So by all means mount a spirited defence of your religion, one that has been stuck in the 14th century for too long, but please do not peddle the “religion of love and peace” as what is happening throughout the world would suggest otherwise.

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  4. SaHar says:

    I’ll be starting with (Sura 2, verse 191) .. wait, “them” doesn’t refer to the unbelievers, as the preceding verse 190 says “fight in the way of allah those who fight against you, but do not aggress. allah does not love the aggressors” then comes “and kill… “which is proceeded by “but if they desist, know that allah is the forgiver and the most merciful” .. so its clear that it comes in the context of self-defense, nothing about believe! so quoting it as a clue against Islam doen’t make sense at all, but a clue to support the religion of peace 🙂 … “the speech here goes on and on”

    You said “particularly in its treatment of women”, really? then I just wonder why do we “the females” represent 51% of the total no. of students in my university? the first example came to my mind. I also wonder if the female doctors, engineers, teachers and the council members are baby machines? examples are countless..

    About the Charlie Hebdo, it’s agreed that one’s freedome of speech ends when it comes to offense, doesn’t it? they can write articles and argue till tomorrow, but not to make fun of a hot spot, a point to be cleared.

    You might want to read todays news, in a non one-sided manner, about Chapel Hill shooting, Feb. 2015 where 3 muslim students were killed by their neighbour just for being muslims!

    So by all the means, my religion which began in the 7th century is well-designated to last forever suiting the very life changes.

    ending by, mercy for all the innocents everywhere whatever their believes are!

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  5. kindadukish says:

    Thank you for taking the time to respond to my posting however, I note you fail to address either of the questions I posed to you.
    If we are going to debate scripture then how about “God’s curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God’s own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.” Quran 2:89-2:90
    Hardly a a command to love thy neighbour, treat with equality and live in harmony is it?
    As regards your university (I note that you omit to say which one and in which country) and its number of female graduates, there are a number of muslim countries that “allow” women to go to university but then deny them jobs once they have graduated, so do please tell me which country you reside in that is a hot bed of liberal thinking.
    Freedom of speech does NOT end when it comes to offence, what one person is offended by is just humorous to another…………why is is that islam plays the victim mentality time and time again. I get offended by women dressed all in black covered from head to toe and failing to respect western values, I am offended by ramadan, diwali and eid as I consider them pagan customs and corrupt children, but I don’t go around killing people because of this offence. This is called living in a liberal and free thinking society, not the closed world and barbarity of islamic practices.
    With regard to the three muslims shot dead, I understand that the killer will be brought to trial and that all right minded people will support this action. One cannot say the same approach would be taken by muslims as there would always be a reason for the killing e.g. I have taken offence at someone (isn’t this where we came in in San Bernardino?).
    islam is stuck in medieval mind set, a religion (like most) run by men whose sole aim is power and the subjugation of women.
    Tell me. how many female imams are there?
    When you and your islamic brethren drag yourself into the 21st century we will welcome you with open arms, embrace you……………but we will continue to poke fun at you as we do with all religions, because after all, there is no evidence of any god!
    I wish you every success in your academic studies and hope that you are able to follow a career of choice rather than one designated by the males who control your religion and think they know what is best for women.
    I speak with passion on this last topic as I am the father of a very successful female lawyer who has had to fight hard even in our liberal society to get to the top of her profession.

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  6. kindadukish says:

    Just as a quick follow up, I have researched your allegation that “3 students were shot because they were muslims” but there seems to be a considerable question mark about your comment. According to the murderers neighbours “he had trouble with several neighbours and was regularly
    in disputes with them” which is a little different than the allegation you make. He was also fiercely anti religion including christianity, which seems to challenge your comment about “being killed because they were muslims”.
    All the evidence suggest that the three men were in the wrong place at the wrong time and that if he hadn’t killed them, he would have killed someone else in the not too distant future, irrespective of religion.
    Unfortunately, America has an ever expanding “gun culture” and random shootings over petty issues such as parking are all too common.
    I have no wish to diminish the awfulness of what this man did as took away three lives and the American justice system will ensure that he pays the penalty for what he has done. I understand the prosecutor has demanded the death penalty.
    Now if you really want to read about religious persecution then do have a read of this website:
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5169/christmas-slaughter-muslim-persecution

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